and I found these people in those imperfect churches! Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. And gratitude is where we must go in this time, as Kurt Baxter reminded us on Sunday. (See page 54 and following) Lawyer for Bill Hybels Victims Shares Inside Story. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. What I need most is what I dont have. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. So thank you. How do we deal with claims of sexual abuse? There was a period of time, Ill call, The Great Loneliness after that Chicago Tribune article came out, where they were radioactive. So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. What I saw happen at Willow is, the board as a unit was willing to dissemble in the amount necessary to preserve the organization. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. He was running and we were praying that he would surrender fully to God. May you and your family be richly bleSSed!!! Posted by Jonathan Deatherage on Apr 02, 2019. You have to have a lead pastor who creates a strong culture of accountability. And if youd like to find me online, just go to JulieRoys.com. You have to have a strong culture of accountability. I think he lost it. Serving in the role of elder is a huge responsibility. Its good to be visiting with you again. Pete has offered to And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. But I have to say that in the middle of dealing with a lot of tall weeds and bugs, God has also given me some flowers and fruit trees to enjoy. I will always have my faith in Jesus but church especially WCCC has been a huge disappointment. The other thing I wanted to talk to you about in you mentioned this in earlier discussion we had about the identity of elders and how so often, and I dont think its just elders, I think its a lot of the senior pastor leadership and staff that their identity tends to become enmeshed with the success or failure of the organization theyre a part of. They had so many churches, thousands of churches coming on board and being a part of those. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. And we need to start on the work of reconciliation and repentance now. And you have two or three board members who go, I dont think so, they did nothing. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. Bill Hybels and Bill Clinton, you know, developed a friendship over the years that at least what Ive discovered in my research, there was an invitation for Clinton to come and speak at the Global Leadership Summit, and a confrontation with the elder board about that because Clinton was on the heels of an adultery scandal. If you go back and you look at Bill Hybels books in retrospect, Im amazed at some of the things that are contained in his books that people became okay with. Hes like, I wasnt trying to protect the man, who by chance was his brother in law. So whos supposed to hold whos supposed to hold the leaders accountable in that structure? Pete served as the senior pastor at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Dallas, Texas for nearly 30 years, and he now ministers to pastors and organizational executives through personalized, professional coaching. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. Just go to BuyACar123.com. Like so many of you, I love Pete. WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. So he said something about so and sos clothing. But you lose the guarding mechanism, which I think in todays in todays cultural moment, its probably the most important aspect of eldering. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. And he realized that he had missed an opportunity to share Christs love with this person, and he didnt even feel worthy to give this message tonight, you know, and he got teared up and, and Im watching this, you know, as a 20, early 20 something right? Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? If youre looking for a car I encourage you to visit my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Yes, in the course of representing these women, it became obvious that this was not what Ill call an echelon or tier leadership problem, just at Bill Hybels level. Bent Tree is a multi site mega church in the Dallas Fort Worth area thats had its own share of crises over the past several years. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray And it turns out there were a lot more women who had been affected by Bill Hybels. I hope someday I can overcome this cynicism because I need Church as it should be. This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. And yet, when these issues started being raised about Bill Hybels, the larger church, other than you know, a few people you mentioned the Ortbergs, for example, they came forward and spoke. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. The Journal Sentinel reported: Elmbrook resignations are the latest to rock evangelical Christian churches. Its the biblical admonition, you know, to hold a knife to your throat lest you desire the Kings delicacies. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. They have a responsibility to the larger church to speak. And I remember you saying. And I really was hopeful that there was going to be a public apology, and yet, None. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. Much has been written on establishing criteria for board member selection. And I was sitting in my office one day and Vonda picked up the phone and gave me a call and kind of told me what was coming down the pike in terms of the Chicago Tribune article that basically lit the fuse on that entire situation at Willow. You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. About Stuart and Jill Briscoe This is what manifests. So thanks again. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? I think it took courage. And not elevated above it. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. It is not a program is not a set of services. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. It is not a building. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. And Hybels said, essentially, Yeah, well, well do it that way. And Clinton showed up and then didnt comply with anything that the board had said. Their board operated by unanimity as well. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Happened so often, I quit altogether. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. And he came back and said, I cant do this anymore.. But as you say its Gods grace that despite all that hes used these men to bless many, despite everything. And so, you know, as a lawyer on the board, youre not absolved from the obligation of complying with the mandates of Scripture. Think about the people whove done it historically, you know, the Chuck Swindolls that I mean, we can we can run off a list of names, we can also run off a list of failures. Thank you so much. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Its not okay. The immense audio, video, and written teaching resources on our website help people who are seeking answers about God to know Christ and experience Life in all its fullness. Its something like Child Protection Policies. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray I dont know. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. Because we represent their interests. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. And I think Christian leaders need to start stepping up. But essentially, it was the board being asked to deal with matters of policy and then all matters of implementation really get left to the vocational staff in the church. None at all. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. All the times something didnt seem right. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. At the urging of a friend working in the radio industry, the Briscoes followed God's leading and used the tape sales proceeds to purchase local radio time, which launched Telling the Truth's radio outreach. And sadly, I think they have still. As I look back on my own four years on staff, Im thankful for the teaching and leadership that Pete Briscoe has brought to Bent Tree, and I know that so many of us have been impacted by his attention to the Lord and quick obedience to however God leads him. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. Why didnt others support them? When you have a woman who says I was molested by a staff member, or you have a staff member who says, Bill Hybels just threw a punch at me, or dog cuts me up and down the hallway, those arent matters of policy, Julie. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Can I talk about Scot McKnight for a second? One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. I just want to say this was not someone who acted on any behavior at our church, but had someone who was in the process of grooming someone else. But this certainly raises red flags. But when we look at it from some practical ways that God used people to undo this, explain what you see as being the key forces. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. And now lets put that in the past. Willow did not want to reckon with the deformed culture that had manifested underneath Bills leadership. Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. When I came onto our board, the terms that Pete Briscoe used were, guide, govern and guard. And I think policy governance has the governing part. Yet, Scripture and to how to teach it became new and deep and exciting every week as I listened to Pete in the short three years I have been at Bent Tree. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." And I think that Bill Hybels created an advocacy structure around him by having that many lawyers on the board. Why is it that nobody outside a very small group of women who had no power, really no position, why didnt others come to their rescue? Lawyers are, by definition, advocates, right? Hes also a strong believer and advocate for abuse victims. And these men are good actors. He is with us today to talk about growing communication skills to improve preaching as well as how we can find deeper fulfillment in our work and lives. Briscoe I think youre absolutely right about that. Like so many of you, I love Pete. God is doing a new work both in the lives of the Briscoe's and in the life of Bent Tree. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. I mean, there were some things that you learned specifically, that were done to potentially cover wrongdoing by Bill Hybels. Yeah, I think youre gonna be waiting a while. Briscoe stepped down as senior pastor at the end of 2000 but remained involved in the church and active in overseas missions. Also, any comments with profanity, name-calling, and/or a nasty tone will be deleted. Im against too many lawyers, and I think Im in a position to critique this. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. Hi Julie, my name is Teresa and I was wondering if Voice of the Martyr was a good place to donate. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth's media outreach. It is what manifests. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. Youre its just not its not a matter of if its a matter of when. I think its incredibly dangerous. But other than that, you know, there just werent a lot of people in the larger church speaking and there had to have been a lot of church leaders who knew about what was going on and knew that there were problems with Bill Hybels. I think it took courage and boldness on his part to be able to do that. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. But its an analog. They show up, they sell books. Its about serving God. So when you have someone who is trusted, whos supposed to be an expert, you know, like a pastor, like a longtime senior pastor whos supposed to be a theological expert, and someone whos in authority like a senior pastor, people are willing to do things to satisfy that person that they would not otherwise do, even if those things seem harmful to another person. It manifested at the Human Resources level. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? I dont know the answer but rampant clergy abuse just took my discontentment to a whole new level. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? Id like to share a few things as we navigate this loss together. But he had the emotional and spiritual fortitude to say, You know what? A person whos not walking in the Spirit is susceptible to that type of behavior, even a senior pastor. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. So you can go to Amazon and enter in Boz Tchividjian and his book will pop up but you need to know what youre looking for because people who are sexual predators, they have an acuity for blending into society in ways that they dont stand out like this is not like, you know, the sexual predator in your church is not some, you know, grease ball sitting outside your kids ministry just kind of looking for a way to get at, like, thats our common image of what a sexual predator is. But what happens when there is a sheep within the flock who needs to be defended? And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. Very few. He said, Pete, you should have one lawyer on your board but not more than one. And I believe that there is some really sound wisdom in that. Talk to me about how you saw this playing out at Willow Creek. Then, I did what all good Christian college students did at that time I acquired a boot-leg copy of the drama and listened to it several times on my own. It started as a simple tape duplication ministry in a home basement, using a reel-to-reel tape recorder linked to a dozen smaller recorders to duplicate the Briscoes' teaching. Yeah. I think its Pat Baranowskis story that ran in the New York Times that actually caused that. I dont think that he caused the elder board to resign. Judson is located just 36 miles outside Chicago on a beautiful 90 acre campus. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. What is it that causes so many people who know better, to look the other way and allow evil to prosper? WebPete Briscoe is a podcaster and evangelical pastor. Oh Well, and I appreciate your service to the church. Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. However, there should be a bubble level of character in Christ that we return to. Amen. I have been a child of God since I was four and in ministry most of my life. Yeah, were all saints who sometimes sin. Fellowship, Church family, Community. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. If you go back through Willow Creeks archives, you can see all the, you know, the authors of books who came in and were platformed at Willow Creek. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. Julie, it is great to be with you again. And its like, now someone inside the tribe has said, Something is wrong here and it must be dealt with. And it took someone of Scot McKnights gravitas to be able to shift the discussion at Willow. Right. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. WebSince that time he has ministered on every continent, written more than 40 books, pastored a church for 30 years, and founded a media ministry called Telling the Truth which now broadcasts daily worldwide. So, thanks for taking the time and you know, anybody whos willing to take a few minutes out of their vacation for a podcast, I just really appreciate it. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. Its scripturally rooted. And thats one of the things that I just come back to is that the word hypocrisy in the Greek the word that comes from that means actor. So Im guessing youre not against lawyers being on board. Yeah, that is super dangerous. Thank God I have Jesus. You have to have unity among your vocational staff at the church about, you know, key issues like how do we treat other people? And yet, they lost the PR battle, which is unbelievable. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. The Roys Report seeks to foster thoughtful and respectful dialogue. Is that correct? Maybe some of your listeners are familiar with that you can go on YouTube and and see what thats all about. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema. I was blown away. Friends are important! Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. Today were talking with Pete Briscoe, who served as the senior pastor for nearly three decades at Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, Texas, and now consults with and coaches pastors. Yeah. At the end of the day the aftermath of destruction is felt on so many levels by so many people and we all react differently in our humanness. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. I heard an elder once describe his role as a glorified sanitation engineer. It is a collection of people. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. I am thrilled to be here. And then everyone could say, Oh, how sad that that one person did that one thing. Whats our theology? For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. It took me a long time to agree that he had done the things of which he had been accused. Not so much at Willow till after, because I was so wrapped up in the Harvest stuff at that time and the Moody stuff that I didnt really have the capability or the bandwidth to do much reporting about Willow. And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. There are therapy notes to support her story. Okay. And in the few times Ive spoken with him, I found his insights to be profound. You know, when you have somebody like Bryan Loritts, who when hes talking about why when he was at a former church, he didnt disclose to the church that they had a sexual predator among them for six months. The woman had come forwarded, but then later recanted her story. Nobody has said they had intercourse with Bill. In our church, we have a no tolerance policy. 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