There are too many to list like this, showing that there was a two fold ministry, of both his revealed power and his response to faith. This is something more. Martha did not believe that Jesus would raise her brother Lazarus from the dead (John 11:2324, 39), but our Savior resurrected him anyway (vv. Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. Its the denial that the Father, Son, and Spirit are three distinct persons. But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Insightful and reignited the importance of chasing after Truth. The trouble is that many if not most are not able. Do you see it? Let me go a step farther and BEG YOU to take the Bible more seriously, and to compare what Ive written, what youve written, and what Steven Furtick says with Gods Word. 2 Timothy 1:7 Is it good or bad to point to unbiblical teaching? Please: take some time to consider throwing the baby out with the bath water. Its correct in that theres only one God, but its wrong on the rest. Here are a few other special cases that people try to plead: Its clear that you feel comfortable suggesting that the apostle Paul knew less about following Jesus than you do. Let me know if youre in. A significant portion of the New Testament was written to directly counter false teaching in the first century. The New Testament is full of warnings about false teachers, and you dont appear to take those things very seriously. By late 2004, Furtick was leading a musical worship team at Christ Covenant, a Baptist church in Shelby. Fried chicken, cornbread and cake what brings you back to this Charlotte restaurant. I have friends who were conceived because their mothers were raped. He said if you listen to the Word and dont do it, youre like a man who looks at himself in a mirror in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God my Maker is my mirror. Steven Furtick is a pastor, Grammy-award winning songwriter and producer, & New York Times best-selling author. Last year, Furtick made headlines when his church doled out $40,000 to members, in envelopes filled with $5, $20, even $1,000, and told them to spend it kindly on others. He made them all go outside. As for healing, heres some of what false teacher Andrew Wommack says and none of it matches what we see in the Bible: Unfortunately, thats a big fat NOPE. He asked seven couples to go with him and his wife, sell their homes, and move to a yet unknown city, with no promise of pay. Any personal information you entrust to Steven Furtick Ministries, such as name, address, and email, will not be shared with any third party, unless otherwise noted. In essence it means a single entity being comprised of multiple constituents. Future tense: just like in English, points to an event that will, or might, happen in the future. While I appreciate the graciousness of wanting to give people the benefit of the doubt, there are (at least) three problems with this idea. Thanks for writing! Received you the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? And He therefore that ministers to you the Spirit, and works miracles among you, does he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Galatians 3: 2 and 5 Its nice to meet you. When false teachers do it, they compound their misquotations with false theology doubling down on irresponsibility with more irresponsibility. If so, what should we do about them? I do not do this lightly, but it is necessary. Multnomah Books. Third, we know that the Son is not the Father nor the Spirit, and that the Spirit is not the Father. Just as a manipulating womanizer can say true things, false teachers can be kind, sincere, morally upright people. If you give the pizza delivery guy the wrong address, youll never get your pizza. When Christians talk about Jesus, they acknowledge that He is God. The New Testament is full of warnings about false teachers, so we do have an abundance of direction on the matter. Matthew 9:29. Although each member of the Trinity serves different functions, they each possess equal power and authority. Hindus will need you to specify which god youre asking about. Theres no way around this, Kathleen. My first suggestion is always to be gentle. Do you agree with him that Modalism is true and the trinity is false? It says And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.. (Our church is all about the numbers . Moving on to his marital affairs, the evangelist is happily married to his beautiful wife, Holly Furtick. Do you see? But, you are saying he did this by a sovereign act of his will, how can that be, since he specifically said; according to your faith be it unto you, as even your answer to such question, does our faith play a part in how God interacts with us, including healings. God cannot sin, but we certainly can. We dont want to fall into the same kinds of errors that false teachers fall into that is, reading a passage and then drawing conclusions that dont match the context. With respect, youre wrong on both. Then in John 1:12 this power is received by faith, then in Ephesians 3:7 this gift of grace is through working of his power. Its not unreasonable. The law of the Lord is perfect (Psalm 19:7-10) and God could not break his own law for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4);thus Christ was undefiled sinless Lamb of God and therefore as priest and victim He would make the perfect sacrifice to atone for sin. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Our faith is important, but it does not limit what God CAN do. May it never be! I just want the truth which I believe I can only find through prayer, study and revelation. We shouldnt reject our weaker brothers and sisters but we shouldnt join them in their weaker faith, either. The standard in the New Testament is clear: we ARE to throw the baby out with the bath water. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever, is not copacetic with the many scripture that point to the need of both hearing (His drawing) and believing, as it is hearing the Gospel of our salvation that prompt faith to act on it; Crispus, the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized. Furtick taught as Ive shown that the people of Nazareth lacked faith, and it was their lack of faith that trapped Jesus power to heal. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Crash The Chatterbox: Hearing Gods Voice Above All Others. What gives you the right to say who is or is not of God? "He said 'What about the dinosaurs? He's clearly a gifted communicator, and - based on the growth of his congregations - likely a gifted leader as well. If your father is not a modalist, he will be able to explain the doctrine of the trinity and be able to explain how the Son is not the Father, for example. Christians are to be Torah-observant, except for sacrificing animals. Do you see what I mean? The gospel is the power of God unto salvation, but then it is to every one that believes, Rom. The only one who has the right to say if this man is a true man of God is God himself and if he wasnt called by God he will fall. In Furticks own words, the power of God was trapped in their unbelief. THAT is his point, as the rest of his quote shows. Thanks. Thats a whole different situation, right? (He mentioned Rocky IV in his sermon last Sunday and in a recent Facebook Live. The Bible isnt about you. You say, it is not a logical and biblical explanation that He chooses to act under certain circumstances, and to not act in others, as God is not the author of confusion. With respect, you really havent thought this through. The word in Romans 10:9 thats translated you will be saved is a verb. Any person who went through good theological college would have known about sound theology of three persons in one God mystery. No, no, no no no no no noooo. God saves us in response to our acceptance of His offer of salvation. Is that what Christianity is being saved? So you dont believe that God is a molecular structure. 14), some have weaker faith and some stronger. Fodder for another discussion, maybe. In Romans 14, for example, Paul tells us that there are disputable matters. With all due respect to other writers of websites (and makers of videos, and tweeters of tweets), many who talk about false teachers are willing to call someone a false teacher simply because they disagree over disputable matters. There are two major directions one can go in: tritheism or modalism. Theres a gigantic difference between Jesus not doing many miracles because of their unbelief and Jesus being unable to exercise Gods power because He was entirely powerless to do so. His claim was that Jesus COULD NOT heal those people because of His unbelief that He had the power, and wanted to use it, but COULD NOT. As a teacher, Steven Furtick should be avoided. Partly cloudy. Word of Faith teachers twist the Scriptures to say something that God has never said. What makes the most sense of these verses, in context? If youre wrong, change. With all due respect, Word of Faith teachers ALWAYS demote God and elevate us. No, that cant be the way to identify false teachers. God has revealed (some of) Himself through His Word. You have to see yourself healed [in your heart] before you see yourself healed [in reality]. This is true. Singular: just like in English, the number of subjects that the verb applies to. Then one day, while reading "Fresh Wind, Fresh Fire," a book his pastor had loaned him, a sentence on page 23 stopped him cold: "I despaired at the thought that my life might pass me by without God moving greatly on my behalf.". If you have something to say, include Scripture. The Scriptures are enough. This is modalism, the same error that Furtick makes. Lets see a sit down between you and Pastor Furtick. Tony, I appreciate the thoroughness of your response. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. Your use of this passage suggests that we dont know whether Furtick is teaching the gospel or not whether its from God or not. The problem is not, and has never been, the people. Get motivation from Steven Furtick delivered right to your inbox. As he also told the disciples he would not always be with them physically; Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter (Holy Spirit) will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. John 16:7, which brought forth the gifts of the Spirit, even gifts of healing and miracles 1 Corinthians 12:9,10. We need to be careful to avoid presuming Gods mind. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. Jesus makes many statements that show that He is not the Father. There are plenty of us out there. By itself, I see no problem but playing music in church isnt by itself. It comes with spiritual baggage that the Kingdom of God, quite simply, is fighting against. Their disobedience did not PREVENT God from blessing them. You have raising from the dead power on the inside of you, and you have to see it. Jesus couldnt do many miracles why? We arent wandering in the wilderness. #3 is what came to mind when you said bad things are bad, never good. If youre a Christian, one would assume that you believe the Bible to be a guide for Christians. All things are in general possible to God (Matthew 19:26), but then it is to him that believes as to the particulars, Mk. If you need a hand working through these issues, Im here to help. He holds conferences with Word of Faith teachers and New Apostolic Reformation teachers. Not Maybe Jesus chose not to exercise His power because they wouldnt acknowledge Him as Messiah, or Maybe Jesus decided not to perform more miracles because people didnt really want to be healed, or Maybe Jesus knew that more miracles would accomplish nothing for the Kingdom, or anything like that. The problem isnt that Furtick baptizes converts to Christianity. True, I must admit I was not accurate as to what God can do, and does in His sovereignty, but still the scripture Mark 6:5 ; And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. sounds so close to Matthew 13:58, as here He was powerless to do no mighty work, Jesus was blocked, and even marveled at it, saying it was because of their unbelief. Knowledge is important but it alone doesnt save. If Steven Furtick teaches things that contradict the Bible, were supposed to call him out on it. Then you might, when the time is right, ask him this: What would you say to someone who explained Jesus ascension this way? and then quote Furtick: and now Jesus is taken from their sight, and hidden in a cloud, but he did not leave. 2. Part spiritual athlete, part rock star preacher, Furtick is the talk these days in Charlotte religious circles. To which quote are you referring? There can be just one family. , I came back to this discussion because of a recent email on this subject, so I read your last statement again. But he had questions. From start to finish, this is wrong. . The story of Elevation since then is one of attention-grabbing sermon series and ever-rising attendance numbers. This too goes beyond Scripture to the point of contradicting Jesus words. Instead of seeing Gods grace in this life and His mercy they didnt receive and STD or worse, the justify their sin going as far as to say It was obviously Gods will I have this baby, so I dont have to recognize my sin in its conception and anyone who tries to call me to account is going against Gods will.. Dont let brother Tony, whoever he is, hurt your feelings. Pray for discernment. Very well explained. But its the speeking that gets him every time. First: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are properly understood as God. In researching these topics, Ive heard a LOT that I appreciated, and have been inspired by even those who are otherwise far from the truth. I hope that you will begin a serious study not of oneness theology, or of trinitarian theology, but of Scripture. We cant know them all, as God has not revealed them to us. When people do that, we put them on medication. While it is an imperfect term, its the best one we can come up with. And he performed very few miracles there because of their lack of faith. In both it indicates that did not is part and partial to could not for it was the lack of their faith that caused this. Thank you for your encouraging words. And as Im reading your comments. Finally, suggesting that he may be engaging in circumincessionism doesnt necessarily make things better, or more orthodox. Some teach that getting sin out of your life isnt a matter of obedience and self-discipline, but of being enlightened. Having said that ,he may be the only source of the gospel to many. Does that make you less likely to listen to Paul? Here are a few verses: I could go on, of course. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them. That, however, is not what Furtick said. The order is wrong. Hello, I am in my mid thirties and trying to rebuild my faith. All of this is contrary to Scripture. In the end, you should be praying for your father and listening to the Holy Spirit. Partly cloudy. I appreciate the tone of our conversation very much. God wasnt powerless yet Steven Furtick claims that He was. ElevationChurch.Online is the online experience for Elevation Church, led by Pastor Steven Furtick and broadcasting from Charlotte, NC. I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. I mean, werent first-century believers also indwelt by the Holy Spirit? Was recently listed as the fifth most powerful person in town by Charlotte magazine. Unless we can become so unified that we actually indwell one another, I would suggest a less mystical reading of John 17. God is a molecular structure that fills all in all. Judge not yet you be judged. As for, Do you, in any sense, have power over God? Paul said he was not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: Notice the connection between Power and faith The fact that you said to pray for Furtick speaks for itself. Furtick along with virtually every other Word of Faith teacher says that God is dependent on us to do work here on earth, and in our own lives. Be like a Berean and test everything including what I say here with Scripture. Well said, salvation is the most important possession someone owns. Why is that? The Proverb gains so much more meaning as you examine what actually happens during the sharpening process. People who are unwilling are often, in my experience, not actually interested in following Jesus closely. (sorry for the all caps, sometimes I get carried away. God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. We must be careful to consider the cost when publically denouncing a man as a false teacher. Thanks for writing! 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